Poll: Who here is interested in Buying the New Ford EV Midsize Pickup in 2027

[Flight Test]

No way, not interested in the least.

 

[710-oil-614]

The early report is 400v(ie old tech and slow), and 51kwh battery pack. Basic EV math 3mi/kwh x 51kwh = 150mi ish range on a good day, good weather, not winter. This simply won't cut it. That relegates it to local commuter and fleet use. Having driven EVs for the last 10 years I know what to expect, and what is realistic. That makes the new midsize a hard pass. They implied there may be a larger battery pack option, but it will be huge price bump over this promo 30k price they are bouncing around right now.

For a next gen vehicle to come out with such a small pack, and only 400v is really inexcusable considering 400v is old news today and we are talking about 2 years from now. Ford should be embarrassed, but they know there are a lot of people who don't know anything about EVs and someone will say "how often do you drive 150 miles"? It is complete NONSENSE.

You said it better than me.

Ford wants to have it's modern day "model T" moment and they are going to use technology that is already obsolete?

I'm pretty sure the Model T didn't run on thoroughbreds still....

 

[MakinDoForNow]

If you are road tripping you never waste the time getting a full charge. It can depend on the vehicles charge curve, but generally speaking most target that 80% SOC as the top end and then bounce down the road. Which is why I say anyone quoting range based on a 100% SOC is in fantasy land. Only time you will be at a 100% SOC will be top charging the vehicle just before you leave home. No one who road trips EVs and knows what they are doing sits around to top charge an EV unless you happen to be on a stretch of road where the next charger is right at the outer reaches of your total vehicle range would you want to do that. That is a last resort kind of thing. Thankfully on the main interstates those areas with huge gaps in chargers is getting filled now.

With the average EV that is sold today with a larger battery pack you are going to be looking at 20-40 minutes to charge before you bounce depending on how low you took the battery charge to get it back up to 80%. On a large battery like a Lightning with the ER battery you are pushing 45-50 minutes. This truck Ford just announced only has a tiny 51kwh battery so it should charge fairly quickly, but it isn't going to have much range. So that makes it a nonstarter for me anyway. It should have been a 800v+ pack and it needed to be targeting at least 300 miles EPA rated range with the standard pack. That does not sound like what they are bringing at all. Now if they wanted to couple that 51kwh battery with an ICE and make it an EREV that would get my attention.

800+v will be available in near future. Aided by Wolfspeed's silicon carbide Efficient controls. May be another year or two for faster charging batteries without heat creation.

 

[710-oil-614]

Don't forget having sitting around for an hour or longer for a FULL charge.
And there's no telling whether those next Services have any chargers.
In other words you better stay attached to the leash.
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No thank you I have enough anxiety my life without that range anxiety too.

Only 1x in 27k miles did I wait more than 25 minutes to charge and that was in 7 degree weather outside of Detroit.

Otherwise my charge times fell in the 10-20 minute range and all Superchargers are located where there are restroom facilities and usually a restaurant or bar.

Plug in, go pee, grab a beverage and BAM get back on the road.

There are a lot of reasons this will be a failure, no need to over exaggerate the charging times.

EDIT: Also range anxiety not an issue at least with the Tesla and the superchargers. I live in Central Ohio and I had my Model 3 in Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York....

There was 1x in Chicago where the SC was full with a line waiting. I just went back to my hotel and came back in the morning.

And there was 1x in West Virginia where it told me to skip the supercharger and head for the next one only to change its mind 5 miles later and say I wouldn't make it so I turned around.

Otherwise 27k miles of road tripping and it was truly an enjoyable experience.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Only 1x in 27k miles did I wait more than 25 minutes to charge and that was in 7 degree weather outside of Detroit.

Otherwise my charge times fell in the 10-20 minute range and all Superchargers are located where there are restroom facilities and usually a restaurant or bar.

Plug in, go pee, grab a beverage and BAM get back on the road.

There are a lot of reasons this will be a failure, no need to over exaggerate the charging times.

Have to " 82 year old spousal pee stop every 225 miles" anyway!

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Only 1x in 27k miles did I wait more than 25 minutes to charge and that was in 7 degree weather outside of Detroit.

Otherwise my charge times fell in the 10-20 minute range and all Superchargers are located where there are restroom facilities and usually a restaurant or bar.

Plug in, go pee, grab a beverage and BAM get back on the road.

There are a lot of reasons this will be a failure, no need to over exaggerate the charging times.

EDIT: Also range anxiety not an issue at least with the Tesla and the superchargers. I live in Central Ohio and I had my Model 3 in Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York....

There was 1x in Chicago where the SC was full with a line waiting. I just went back to my hotel and came back in the morning.

And there was 1x in West Virginia where it told me to skip the supercharger and head for the next one only to change its mind 5 miles later and say I wouldn't make it so I turned around.

Otherwise 27k miles of road tripping and it was truly an enjoyable experience.

I don't need any special adapter to put gas in a plug-in hybrid. Or pay super charger rates, to get out the charging station quickly. ( supercharging is proprietary to Tesla)

Not all electric vehicles (EVs) can use Tesla Superchargers. While Tesla is opening its Supercharger network to other EVs, it's not a universal capability. Currently, non-Tesla EVs with a CCS1 (Combined Charging System) connector can charge at Superchargers equipped with a Magic Dock adapter, and some automakers are providing CCS to NACS (North American Charging Standard) adapters. However, the majority of Superchargers still require a Tesla's NACS connector.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Tesla-only Superchargers:
These are still exclusive to Tesla vehicles and do not support other EVs.
Superchargers with Magic Dock:
Some Tesla Superchargers have been retrofitted with Magic Dock adapters, which allow CCS1-equipped vehicles to charge.
Reliability Score:
A study by Frontier Group found that U.S. charging stations have an average reliability score of only 78%, meaning that roughly 22% of chargers are not operational.
Comparison to Gas Stations:
This unreliability is a stark contrast to gas stations, which are generally more reliable, according to a study by Bloomberg.com.

 

[cavemold]

If it’s priced reasonable yes I am . I don’t drive a lot

 

[cavemold]

I don't need any special adapter to put gas in a plug-in hybrid. Or pay super charger rates, to get out the charging station quickly.

Not all electric vehicles (EVs) can use Tesla Superchargers. While Tesla is opening its Supercharger network to other EVs, it's not a universal capability. Currently, non-Tesla EVs with a CCS1 (Combined Charging System) connector can charge at Superchargers equipped with a Magic Dock adapter, and some automakers are providing CCS to NACS (North American Charging Standard) adapters. However, the majority of Superchargers still require a Tesla's NACS connector.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Tesla-only Superchargers:
These are still exclusive to Tesla vehicles and do not support other EVs.
Superchargers with Magic Dock:
Some Tesla Superchargers have been retrofitted with Magic Dock adapters, which allow CCS1-equipped vehicles to charge.

The mach e is allowed super chargers are they not ?

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

The mach e is allowed super chargers are they not ?

Do they charge more $$ for "Super Charging" speed?

• Tesla-exclusive network: Superchargers are part of Tesla's proprietary network.

So being proprietary. Does this mean that if you don't have a Tesla you don't have super speed charging?

 

[OleFordGuy]

I have ZERO interest in any EV with the current infrastructure and battery technology, especially from Ford. Not gonna live my life planning my route, time, etc around a vacant charging spot to get down the road a little further.

 

[lm126027]

EV will not work for me. One vehicle and I tow long distance (northern ME from MA) in the winter to go snowmobiling.

 

[cavemold]

Do they charge more $$ for "Super Charging" speed?

They got new port to charge but maybe ?

 

[Escapologist]

I might take a serious look in 2030 after all you beta testers have worked out the kinks.

I would probably be tempted by 150+ range with a range extender motor. If it hasn't got one, then the 500+ battery better be cheap and the thing better have stellar miles per kWh... (Got a "have to rebuild half my damn house to get better than 100A service" charger problem.)

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

EV will not work for me. One vehicle and I tow long distance (northern ME from MA) in the winter to go snowmobiling.

In a work environment I can just see this happening with EV work trucks, that tow small cement mixers, wood chippers Landscaping trailers, etc.
What happens when John forgets to plug the truck in the night before? The crew gets there ready to go, and they have to sit around twiddling their thumbs while the truck is charging. If the truck isn't Tesla they're not going to have a supercharger in their yard.
It isn't like they can't run down to the gas station and have a full tank in 7 minutes.

For a homeowner that owns a full size F-150 Lightning also has a trailer could be a boat or a travel trailer that comes close to 8,000 lb he's going to get about 100 MI of range. Or is Motor Trend put it. It is like having approximately 4 gallons of gas to use.
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Can you imagine trying to tow a 3000 or 4000 pound trailer with a total EV Maverick.

 

[710-oil-614]

In a work environment I can just see this happening with EV work trucks, that tow small cement mixers, wood chippers Landscaping trailers, etc.
What happens when John forgets to plug the truck in the night before? The crew gets there ready to go, and they have to sit around twiddling their thumbs while the truck is charging. If the truck isn't Tesla they're not going to have a supercharger in their yard.
It isn't like they can't run down to the gas station and have a full tank in 7 minutes.

For a homeowner that owns a full size F-150 Lightning also has a trailer could be a boat or a travel trailer that comes close to 8,000 lb he's going to get about 100 MI of range. Or is Motor Trend put it. It is like having approximately 4 gallons of gas to use.
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Can you imagine trying to tow a 3000 or 4000 pound trailer with a total EV Maverick.