Poll: Who here is interested in Buying the New Ford EV Midsize Pickup in 2027

[Escapologist]

What was the first best thing? Sell and get a Toyota or Mazda

That might have worked too, but I was thinking push it off a cliff.

Some ppl might have said LS or buick 3.8 swap, but that thing is squirrely and handles bad with 160hp in it, it needs more than that like a Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka needs a hair trigger.

 

[Darryl]

If I was in some major traffic backup I would much rather be in my Hybrid Mav than any EV. If by the unlikely chance i ran low on gas since the gas engine would hardly ever run in bumper to bumper I could most likely find some or even have some in a can in bed. Straight up gas car then no.

We can make the case where there's a scenario when each vehicle will be atban advantage or disadvantage. And as individuals, we may or may not agree which scenario we'd most likely encounter and base our decision accordingly. I don't think either decision is inherently wrong as long as the decision is based on accurate information. The truth is that Some will prefer An EV. and others will prefer a Hybrid. Neither is inherently unreasonable .

 

[1929]

Ford taking $19.5 Billion writedown on EVs. Midsize EV truck still on schedule.

 

[Maverick2022XL]

Ford taking $19.5 Billion writedown on EVs. Midsize EV truck still on schedule.

Source?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kirkog...hit-as-it-scales-back-electric-vehicle-plans/

No mention of EV trucks here
" The company said it was on track to produce its low-cost $30,000 pickup by 2027, and have half of its vehicle lineup be hybrids, extended range vehicles and EVs by 2030. "

EV and low cost are not synonymous especially when you remove the subsidies.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

19.5 BILLION!! I can't wrap my head around that. How can a company lose that much and still stay in business.

EV sales slump without taxpayer subsidies.View attachment 234069View attachment 234070

 

[Maverick2022XL]

We can make the case where there's a scenario when each vehicle will be atban advantage or disadvantage. And as individuals, we may or may not agree which scenario we'd most likely encounter and base our decision accordingly. I don't think either decision is inherently wrong as long as the decision is based on accurate information. The truth is that Some will prefer An EV. and others will prefer a Hybrid. Neither is inherently unreasonable .

Yes but one is inherently selfish while the other inconveniences many less people. One doesn't siphon tax dollars meant to maintain the roads, one doesn't jack up everyone's electric bill by requiring more grid capacity and transmission ability, one doesn't increase the existing carbon output it actually reduces it by allowing that already was going to be used gas engine to operate more efficiently which drops pollution and increases your purchasing power at the pump. We can also get into the environmental impact of the mining and production of the batteries too.

Solve those issues and I'll change my opinion.

 

[zen_]

EV and low cost are not synonymous especially when you remove the subsidies.

Chinese manufacturers like BYD are already way past the tipping point where 1:1 EVs cost less to manufacture than ICE vehicles, without purchase subsidies. With the manufacturing scaled out now*, they are simply easier vehicles to build using far fewer parts.

I put the asterick there because China got there buying up IP, doing their own research, and funding startups with state backed loans knowing EVs would be a strategic investment for the future. Imagine if we did that without bungling through constantly changing policies and private companies building luxury flying saucers of the future no one wants that resulted in billions of write-offs.

 

[cavemold]

So the Ranger ev Proably wont be ev now ?be a hybrid

 

[Maverick2022XL]

Chinese manufacturers like BYD are already way past the tipping point where 1:1 EVs cost less to manufacture than ICE vehicles, without purchase subsidies. With the manufacturing scaled out now*, they are simply easier vehicles to build using far fewer parts.

I put the asterick there because China got there buying up IP, doing their own research, and funding startups with state backed loans knowing EVs would be a strategic investment for the future. Imagine if we did that without bungling through constantly changing policies and private companies building luxury flying saucers of the future no one wants that resulted in billions of write-offs.

They also artificially devalue the renminbi against the US dollar.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/061115/yuan-vs-rmb-understanding-difference.asp

"China uses currency controls to maintain the value of the Chinese yuan at a favorable level. The PBOC sets a midpoint value against the U.S. dollar every day based on previous trading sessions and movements in international currency markets. The price of the yuan is permitted to trade within 2% of that price. The midpoint might also be adjusted based on undefined countercyclical factors at times."

What that also fails to mention is the price controls they also need internally to maintain so the great unwashed masses don't revolt.

This also brings up another point one impacts China favorably while undercutting almost everyone else. I am no rah rah USA USA budweiser swill drinking rally monkey Patriot but I also don't willingly bend over and allow myself to be screwed for someone's else's benefit.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

So, the Ranger ev Probably won't be ev now ? Maybe a hybrid?

Even Ranger owners enjoy towing their trailers and toys, farther than 120 miles before needing a charge.

 

[zen_]

They also artificially devalue the renminbi against the US dollar.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/061115/yuan-vs-rmb-understanding-difference.asp

"China uses currency controls to maintain the value of the Chinese yuan at a favorable level. The PBOC sets a midpoint value against the U.S. dollar every day based on previous trading sessions and movements in international currency markets. The price of the yuan is permitted to trade within 2% of that price. The midpoint might also be adjusted based on undefined countercyclical factors at times."

What that also fails to mention is the price controls they also need internally to maintain so the great unwashed masses don't revolt.

This also brings up another point one impacts China favorably while undercutting almost everyone else. I am no rah rah USA USA budweiser swill drinking rally monkey Patriot but I also don't willingly bend over and allow myself to be screwed for someone's else's benefit.

Japan and West Germany built up their auto exports to the US with weakened currencies as well, or at least when the USD was artificially stronger than it should have been in the 70s.

Doesn't really matter though what the exchange rate is since Chinese vehicles made in China will always be de facto embargoed from import. If BYD was allowed to build a factory in the US using US labor and similar material and component supply chains to existing manufacturers, I think they would still crush them in cost. No different than when Honda and Toyota built factories here if you filters out all the politics (not really possible though).

On the original topic, I am interested to see if Ford can do an EV under $30K, because I have kinda given up on most of the other legacy automakers that have already regressed to being regressive again, and seem to be gearing up to sell more cars people don't want to buy.

 

[Timothyd]

19.5 BILLION!! I can't wrap my head around that. How can a company lose that much and still stay in business.

EV sales slump without taxpayer subsidies.View attachment 234069View attachment 234070

Wish they'd lose a little more my way.

 

[LSchicago]

So the Ranger ev Proably wont be ev now ?be a hybrid

Ranger was never going to be an EV. Just a plug in.

 

[cavemold]

Ranger was never going to be an EV. Just a plug in.

Oh ok I thought it was

 

[LSchicago]

Oh ok I thought it was

There is a new mid size pickup EV coming that is not related to the Ranger or Maverick.