Of course when the tax reduction disappears about 2/3 of the extra cost for the ev disappears also. Helps some in cost calculation though not enough for me to justify ev as primary ride, currently.
Who in the hell wants to spend hour and a half to 2 hours extra on a 7 hour drive just to charge your car.
Gas or EV, you still need to be a smart shopper, and follow the deals. We leased our MachE a year ago, at $15K off cap cost, making it CHEAPER than a comparable gas SUV. No resale to be concerned with, insurance was cheaper than our gas SUV. Tire wear is not significantly different, and I put in a Emporia EVSE myself for $400. WIns all around.
Not seeing your exact point. BUT 2 hours of charging for 7 hours of driving is okay with you , fine. NOT me.
Cheaper depends on your use. Like all new technologies, it starts out inefficient and over time gets better. Good thing you didn't live during the time of steam engines and development of the ICE. Or horse drawn carriage to autos. We'd be driving a mule.
In your case sure. Got a cheap lease. I am not against EV just like to look at the facts for the average person,. Sure if you can get the vehicle in either a lease for less or buy it then sure that makes a huge difference,. I go by average which usually cost more for EV like a chevy blazer. There are always exceptions . But generally EV's initial cost is much greater.Gas or EV, you still need to be a smart shopper, and follow the deals. We leased our MachE a year ago, at $15K off cap cost, making it CHEAPER than a comparable gas SUV. No resale to be concerned with, insurance was cheaper than our gas SUV. Tire wear is not significantly different, and I put in a Emporia EVSE myself for $400. WIns all around.
You need to get away from the big national carriers. If they run national TV ads, that's your first clue to run the other way....
Part of the insurance price is the risk of theft. If thieves prefer gas or electric???
I didn't include the initial cost. I simply spoke of operating costs. We have several customers with Lightnings and Mach E'S Tire wear. Nowhere near as bad as people say. Much of it can be attributed to the fact that the most popular EV's (Teslas) are sporty cars that use expensive tires with relatively low tread life. A v8 mustang GT eats through tires too. Properly rotated Lighting tires tend last a long time. Installation of a home charger is not necessary in many cases. A regular 240v outlet like the one used on an electric stove charges almost as quickly. And if a person has their water heater or electric dryer nearby, , you can use the same existing outlet because they make a splitter that temporarily disables the car charger if the driver is running. Most people don't dry clothes all night. Yes. Range drops in cold weather. (Not a big issue even in North Florida) But there's still ample range for the average person's daily drive. Very few people drive more than 150 miles daily. If they have a Mach E or a Lightning, they'll still have ample range for daily needs. The depreciation on an EV is huge. A disadvantage if buying new. But a huge advantage if buying 1 or 2 years used. An EV would definitely fit MY lifestyle. My job is a 90 mile round trip . Most of my out of town trips are within 250 miles. Even my long trips are less than 500 miles. My bladder doesn't last that long
. And I usually kill about 45 minutes to grab a meal, stretch, and use the restroom. If I'm in a hurry, I'd probably drive something else. Resale value? As stated earlier, I'll use it to my advantage by purchasing used. And I think I've only had ONE vehicle that was good enough to sell after I was finished with it. I keep them until they're ready for the junk yard. My last trade was worth $500 . It was a 16 years old Grand Marquis with 190,000+ miles on it that I got rid of because I didn't feel like replacing the heater core and overhauling the front suspension.No it's not always cut and dried. But I was initially responding to the person who said an EV was NUTS. The truth is, they CAN be a better choice in many situations. They have advantages and disadvantages . So it COULD be NUTS to own one. Or it could be a smart decision. It depends on the person and the circumstances. As you said, it's not cut and dried. Categorically saying it's NUTS sounds like he's saying it's cut and dried. True?
My new phone with Gemini AI says on average it cost 44 to 49 percent more to insure an equivalent EV to gas car. Google says 49 percent more . Gieco has insured me for quite a while being the lowest cost.You need to get away from the big national carriers. If they run national TV ads, that's your first clue to run the other way....
Okay for YOU it works I just go by averages. Plus new car not used. Sombody has to buy them new. Not saying owning a EV is bad or no good. BUT when I see the,,,,,, Its cheaper I say not so fast.I didn't include the initial cost. I simply spoke of operating costs. We have several customers with Lightnings and Mach E'S Tire wear. Nowhere near as bad as people say. Much of it can be attributed to the fact that the most popular EV's (Teslas) are sporty cars that use expensive tires with relatively low tread life. A v8 mustang GT eats through tires too. Properly rotated Lighting tires tend last a long time. Installation of a home charger is not necessary in many cases. A regular 240v outlet like the one used on an electric stove charges almost as quickly. And if a person has their water heater or electric dryer nearby, , you can use the same existing outlet because they make a splitter that temporarily disables the car charger if the driver is running. Most people don't dry clothes all night. Yes. Range drops in cold weather. (Not a big issue even in North Florida) But there's still ample range for the average person's daily drive. Very few people drive more than 150 miles daily. If they have a Mach E or a Lightning, they'll still have ample range for daily needs. The depreciation on an EV is huge. A disadvantage if buying new. But a huge advantage if buying 1 or 2 years used. An EV would definitely fit MY lifestyle. My job is a 90 mile round trip . Most of my out of town trips are within 250 miles. Even my long trips are less than 500 miles. My bladder doesn't last that long
I agree it can be for some I think it is NUTS to go off road with ANY EV. If insurance company even see's a dent in the skid plate for huge battery they total vehicle if you say no they drop you. They are afraid of risk of fire and HUGE lawsuit. Seen it documented on youtube. So not for off road use for sure. Even though an EV can crawl great with huge torque available. But on road use sure for some .No it's not always cut and dried. But I was initially responding to the person who said an EV was NUTS. The truth is, they CAN be a better choice in many situations. They have advantages and disadvantages . So it COULD be NUTS to own one. Or it could be a smart decision. It depends on the person and the circumstances. As you said, it's not cut and dried. Categorically saying it's NUTS sounds like he's saying it's cut and dried. True?
Yeah but they "cracked the code" or something, figured out how to build it with bean tins, bamboo and bungees :LOL:
The F-150 lightning is built for the same use as a regular four-wheel drive F-150. The scared plate underneath the battery is tough. And it's able to withstand reasonable off-roading. It's pretty hard to damage the battery . Yes, you should use common sense just that you should in any vehicle. But you don't have to baby them. A lot of the information out there is not accurate. And a lot of the fears are overblown. Is an EV perfect in every situation? Of course not. But it can be a viable option in many conditions especially if the purchase price becomes competitive. Will an electric vehicle be totaled simply because the battery is damaged? No. Of course as the vehicle becomes older that becomes a possibility. But today's vehicles can be totaled by a collision that deploys the airbags wants the vehicle becomes old. From what I am understanding, in most cases the insurance rate on a lightning it's not that much different than the insurance on a normal f150. Maybe it's a little more, but it's not crazy expensive like some would have you believe. People should shop around for the best deal just like they do for a normal vehicle when they are buying insurance
