Poll: Who here is interested in Buying the New Ford EV Midsize Pickup in 2027

[zen_]

wow, i remember those back in the 60's. Ugly then, Really Ugly Now

Cab forward would have a significant aerodynamic penalty too, so it's kinda a non-starter for an EV Ford said they want to use a smaller battery on that still has decent range.

If I had to throw a wild guess out there, they will probably go with something more crossover sporty looking for mass-market appeal with buyers that would have otherwise just bought a crossover.


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[Darryl]

Constant vigilance with on site QA and adherence design specifications is not unique to Chinese contract manufacturers / ODMs, or anyone who has ever hired a contractor to do anything.

Bit different game now that those companies have grown into their own brands that they want to grow and protect. There is definitely a problem with overcapacity in EV production there now that some companies won't survive, but BYD isn't one of them. They are in a much better position than any American or European EV startup, even Tesla I would say since they have gained a huge market share in the developing world and Chinese market already.

Don't take this as a pro-China position though; I want our automakers to make something that is as good or better rather than relying on tariffs and hubris to protect them from market dynamics.

Exactly! Hubris always bites us. While it’s easy to credit any success in China to communist policies, state subsidies, copycat and coverup, The Chinese are also doing some innovation and are actually ahead of us in some things. I remember when we thought the Japanese were only able to make cheap crap until gas prices and circumstances caused people to “take a chance” on these econoboxes and many were impressed and never came back to American vehicles. If the only thing that prevents us from getting a vehicle is artificial barriers, It invariably could happen again if fuel prices spike . And we are again left with no viable alternatives. And people discover that SOME of “Communist China crap” is actually decent. I don’t think America should “force “ people to buy EVs or any other particular product. But I also don’t want the USA companies to be caught empty handed like we have been so many times before and permanently lose market share Again because we have nothing to offer that people will demand at the time

 

[Cherokee]

I couldn't have said it better. We have been losing ground since the end of the 70s. It is our fault and you can't blame the others success!

The Tariffs will work, It takes time.

 

[Darryl]

The Tariffs will work, It takes time.

It's not about the Tarriffs working or not. It's about the USA falling behind, ESPECIALLY if they work too well. We're all old enough to have witnessed this often shortsightedness of our auto industry to it's own detriment. In the early 1970s gas shortage and price spike we didn't have available products except the pinto, Vega, and gremlin. The pinto (in spite of the gas tank issue) was the only one that was actually economical AND decently reliable. So the Corolla, B210, and Civic gained a foothold. Repeat in around 1980ish and early 2000's and 2008. Each time we'd returned to bigger . But the other companies started making bigger products too because the customers were happy with the small economy vehicles. But they always had viable gas savers too. Meanwhile the USA abandons them and has nothing available when gas spikes and remains there for a while. USA manufacturers have won the battle for now of having to produce viable EV products. So when the next Spike occurs followed by another one in rapid succession, we won't have anything. But the Chinese will. The Chinese will have copied our technology and perfected it. Meanwhile, we will be left scrambling. I saw some luxury Chinese EVS on the scale of our navigators and escalades with all kinds of goodies that Americans fall for by claiming they don't want them. We need to beat them at their own game rather than simply blocking them. Tariff or no tariff, we need to be ready. Our generation will soon age out of driving. They need to be developing vehicles for the next generation that has no loyalty to the vroom vroom sound of a roaring engine that we love. They will expect cheap to run with a lot of toys. This is the Nintendo generation

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

It's not about the Tarriffs working or not. It's about the USA falling behind, ESPECIALLY if they work too well. We're all old enough to have witnessed this often shortsightedness of our auto industry to it's own detriment. In the early 1970s gas shortage and price spike we didn't have available products except the pinto, Vega, and gremlin. The pinto (in spite of the gas tank issue) was the only one that was actually economical AND decently reliable. So the Corolla, B210, and Civic gained a foothold. Repeat in around 1980ish and early 2000's and 2008. Each time we'd returned to bigger . But the other companies started making bigger products too because the customers were happy with the small economy vehicles. But they always had viable gas savers too. Meanwhile the USA abandons them and has nothing available when gas spikes and remains there for a while. USA manufacturers have won the battle for now of having to produce viable EV products. So when the next Spike occurs followed by another one in rapid succession, we won't have anything. But the Chinese will. The Chinese will have copied our technology and perfected it. Meanwhile, we will be left scrambling. I saw some luxury Chinese EVS on the scale of our navigators and escalades with all kinds of goodies that Americans fall for by claiming they don't want them. We need to beat them at their own game rather than simply blocking them. Tariff or no tariff, we need to be ready. Our generation will soon age out of driving. They need to be developing vehicles for the next generation that has no loyalty to the vroom vroom sound of a roaring engine that we love. They will expect cheap to run with a lot of toys. This is the Nintendo generation

EXACTLY It's our industries fault. You need to fix poor quality and falling behind in technology. To much focus on gadgets to make profit. Constant ego and denial. No one is better than someone else just because they think they are smarter. There is competition and you can't just throw a penalty at it and keep thinking that will work.

 

[Bob The Builder]

Only 12% say YES! I have said all along EV's, especially trucks, are a niche product.

Automobile manufacturers do not keep their shareholders happy with niche products.

Right now up here north of the woodchucks gas prices and electricity prices are going in opposite directions.

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

Only 12% say YES! I have said all along EV's, especially trucks, are a niche product.

Automobile manufacturers do not keep their shareholders happy with niche products.

Right now up here north of the woodchucks gas prices and electricity prices are going in opposite directions.

Shareholder happiness and unreasonable gadget profit is what is hurting US automakers. Innovation has been secondary for decades, out done over and over.

 

[Darryl]

Shareholder happiness and unreasonable gadget profit is what is hurting US automakers. Innovation has been secondary for decades, out done over and over.

We're always playing catch-up because we focus on short term profit. I understand building the high demand -high profit vehicles. But we've been burned SEVERAL times before starting in 1973. Each time we were unprepared without a viable economy vehicle. And the USA manufacturers lost customers that didn't return. It was repeated in the late 1970s, again in around 2,008. Again just a few years ago. I'd hate for other companies to have continued development of EVs and solved the problems of charging time , range. And cost while we stop development. WHEN (not if) fuel prices spike again, we need to be prepared with a few viable products